EPISODE 18: Jodi Cohen, Vibrant Blue Oils

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[00:00:30] KK: Welcome to Risky Business. I'm Kathy Kaehler.

[00:00:33] BL: And I'm Bliss Landon.

[00:00:34] KK: So excited you guys are here today and joining us on this episode. I think this is really, really going to interest a lot of people.

[00:00:43] BL: Definitely. I know I'm very interested to learn. I have an aunt who lives in Texas who does this, who sells essential oils. I remember I was there, this was years ago, and my son was sick. She's like, “Can I put some oil on his feet to help him feel better?” I said, “Sure.” But I didn't know anything about it and I know that it's – I love holistic things to make you feel better and to live a better life than putting another pill down your throat because –

[00:01:17] KK: No question.

[00:01:18] BL: Yeah.

[00:01:18] KK: Anything that's natural and how it has come from the earth. For it to be an actual industry is quite fascinating as well, which shows there's studies and research and discoveries. It’s so, so cool. So we won't even take any more time. We've been chatting, but let's get on to our guest. So excited, and I love this connection. We'll talk about that as well. But I want to introduce you to Jodi Cohen. So happy to have you here. You are the founder of your own company, Vibrant Blue Oils. You also have – Look at that. There it is. You also have a book. So there's so much that we are very, very thrilled and honored to have you as a guest today because we want to know about your business. We want to know how you got into your business and how it can help a lot of people. We talk about kids and families and  currently during this crazy time, a lot of stress and anxiety. sSo we thought this was a perfect fit. Anyway, welcome to Risky Business.

[00:02:35] JC: Thank you for having me. Yeah. I talk about kids and I'm kind of a poster child for anxiety, so I’ve got that one –

[00:02:42] KK: That’s fantastic.

[00:02:44] BL: I can't wait to hear about it. Okay.

[00:02:46] KK: Well, how did you get – Was it a personal experience how you got going?

[00:02:51] JEM: Yeah. You know what? It’s funny. I got into healing through my second child. I had a super easy first one, easy sleeper. Hang on. I’m going to take a sip of tea.

[00:03:03] KK: Isn't that how it is? My first ones, as I had twins. Then I was like, “Okay, that wasn't horrible.” Then the second one you're like, “That's going to be super easy,” and it wasn't.

[00:03:18] BL: They’re all different, these kids.

[00:03:20] JC: When they come to just baby proofing your house, and they're like, “You might want to lock your oven. Some kids crawl in the oven.” You’re like, “What kid's going to crawl in the oven?” My second crawled in the oven. Well, it’s funny because my first one was easy, and my second one was a wild child. I thought it was my parenting, so I'm reading every parenting book, going to every parenting class. One day, we're at a birthday party, and he's being really well-behaved, and my friend complements me. Then a mom passes out like Goldfish or something as a snack. He Jekyll Hydes and like takes off sprinting. He's two, and I'm chasing him down, bring him back. She says, “Okay. My brother was on Ritalin his whole life, and it turned out he was allergic to weird foods. I just saw him Jekyll Hyde after eating something. You should take him to a nutritionist.” I thought, “Why not? I've tried everything else. I can totally do that.”

When we changed his diet, his whole personality changed. Like our cue with him used to be we pointed our nose, “Look at our nose,” and he couldn't. Two days after removing certain foods, he could look at our nose. I thought –

[00:04:20] KK: No way.

[00:04:21] JC: I know. I mean, for anyone who has ever had that kid that does those things, it’s exhausting. You're like, “What is wrong with him? What is wrong with me?” You're like, “Okay, certain foods seem to like make his brain crazy. Let's just change that.”

[00:04:36] BL: Wow. I wish I would have known this for my third. He was crazy when he was little. I thought he was like possessed by aliens or something. He was just nuts.

[00:04:44] JC: Oh, God. I know. I know. Like trying to get them to stop moving and go to sleep, like you don't get sleep. It's exhausting. So I went back and studied nutrition because it was like who knew food could impact your personality. I was trying to help other moms you know with wiggly kids who don't sit still, so you can assess them. So I learned this efficient technique. It's called muscle testing. It's just a really easy way to kind of figure out this is the priority. This is what's going to help. So that came in super handy when mine next rock bottom hit. My then husband was bipolar. I just thought he was really fun guy. We got married. He got a little manic. We realized that problem [inaudible 00:05:21]. I had the second one, and he started getting more and more depressed. Exhausting because the more you do, the less they do.

It finally got to the point where it became obvious that he was probably going to die on my watch, that this was above my pay grade. So we moved him to a residential treatment facility. I knew he was safe, and it wasn't my job to keep him alive. It was like I had run five consecutive marathons and just crossed the finish line, which wasn't convenient because the kids were five and seven. I had a job, I was class parent, and I could barely get out of bed. I would get up with them, make them breakfast, pack their lunch, take them to school, come home, crawl back into bed, and set the alarm for pickup, which was just not sustainable.

I've been practicing nutrition. I kind of knew it was my stress system. The he adrenal glands are the glands in the body that help you release those energy hormones, and so it’s kind of popping all the right supplements, eating all the right food. Nothing helped. I still – Every day was a struggle. Luckily, I had a good friend I had helped do a fundraiser. I was like overachiever, do, do, do. She came out with a big box of oils and said, “It’s interesting. You’ve been so high stress, which releases this hormone, cortisol, which then causes inflammation. If your whole body, including your gut is inflamed, no matter what you take, it's not actually getting into your system. Oils are really cool because you can smell them, and they can get into your blood that way. You can put them on your skin and like nicotine patches or hormone creams that get into your blood that way. So this might be a good workaround.”

Again, I was like – Desperation is the mother of invention. I'm like, “Why not?” I've tried everything else. This is not sustainable. I'll try it.” So I used my handy muscle testing technique and found five oils, which I thought was confusing because I'm like, “Wait, I just need one or two.” Then it occurred to me, “Oh, wait. They're liquid.” I never used oils but I was a drinker. When my kitchen got a shot glass, I made my little formula.

[00:07:32] BL: There you go.

[00:07:32] KK: Love that.

[00:07:33] JC: Yup. I put it on my low back and I felt like me. I was like, “Wow, I could clean the house. I could do laundry.”

[00:07:38] KK: No way.

[00:07:40] JC: Yeah. It was really bananas. If you've ever had that moment, it's kind of like your coffee in the morning. You're kind of groggy in bed and you're like, “All right, I'm caffeinated. I can go.” It was literally like a reboot, but your phone glitches and you're okay. So I kind of had this like win of a day. It’s not uncommon when you're really high stress or anxious to at night not be able to sleep. You get your kids in bed, and then you're in bed, and you're watching the clock. It's nine o'clock. It's 10 o'clock. It's 11 o'clock. You're like, “Oh, my god. Please let me go to bed. I have a busy day tomorrow.”

I had this thought, “Oh, I wonder.” I know that the part of your brain that kind of controls sleep, it's called the pineal gland and it releases the sleep hormone melatonin. I knew that that was pretty accessible to the nose and I'm like, “Huh. I think I can make something for sleep.” I went down again, kind of made something up. It worked really well. My five-year-old would wake me up by like basically jumping on me, “Wake up, Mommy. Wake up. Wake up.” Yes. So I just kind of kept making things up that seemed to help.

It took about two weeks for me to kind of feel like myself again. Then all my friends are like, “All right, we want to try it.” It was a little bit like a Tupperware party. Like, “Oh, here you go.” It worked for them. It worked for their clients.

[00:09:02] KK: But can I – Wait, I wanted to ask you. So when your friend brings you over this box of oils, did you do the combinations on your own, just kind of like trial and error? On all these –

[00:09:13] JC: Well, I had a system. I kind of knew I had a way of – It’s called muscle testing. It's like asking the body what the priority is. Then it's almost like a smell test. I had been using this kind of technique that involves kind of intuition and asking the body what it needs. So I knew how to narrow things down. I'd never used it for oils. I never – I mean, I have a negative feeling of oils. I liked lavender but it was kind of like, “Oh, you add it to your bath. Or you diffuse it in a room, and it makes it smell good.” It was very like scratching the surface of what I was aware of back then.

[00:09:52] BL: But your friend brought you a box. So did she kind of guide you in one way or another to –

[00:09:58] JC: She was so interesting because she – This is funny. She was basically like, “It needs to come from your intuition.” I've since learned there's this book. This woman, Kelly Turner, kind of looked at who survives cancer and why. It’s nine factors, and only three of them are kind of related to food and diet. The biggest one is intuition and just starting to trust yourself. When someone gives you advice or tries to pressure you to do something, being able to say like, “Well, maybe. But maybe I need a second opinion or maybe I'm going to do something else.” Like really being able to kind of trust your heart and tap into what's right.

That's part of what she – She's a really big believer – She's a yoga practitioner and very Zen that way. So she didn't want to prejudice me because she wanted me to have my own experience. That's part of what I do because I think as a mom with kids, you can tell them things. But the minute they learn it from themselves and they're like, “Oh, gosh. When I do this, it works, “ you don't need to – It’s a much better experience.

[00:11:03] BL: True.

[00:11:04] KK: Wow. Now, when you do the combining the muscle testing, are you just smelling? Or you said you put it on your back. It’s just anything.

[00:11:15] JC: It's actually easier than that. It's basically you're trying to narrow it down. So what I do is I touch a row, and it's almost like using a pendulum, but I use my body –

[00:11:27] BL: Touch a row, a row.

[00:11:29] JC: Where I had a box of oils, so I touch it like four at a time, anything in this row. If I lean forward, that's a yes. If I lean back, that's a no. I do that. Technically, dairy is not my best friend, but I love cheese. So sometimes, I'll just kind of ask like, “Can I do this today?” Yes. Coffee too. I drink coffee most days, but it's just a way of like checking in with yourself like, “Is this something?” If you're a sign up for a crazy workout and you wake up and your back hurts and you're like, “Is this really going to make me better or make me worse?” It's kind of like that daily check in of, “Is this good? Or is this bad?”

So I would kind of test a row. Yes, there's something in this row. Then I try to narrow it down. That's how I was doing it. It was almost like kind of taking the thought out of the process because then you get a cleaner result.

[00:12:22] BL: Wow, that's so interesting.

[00:12:23] KK: It’s fascinating. It truly is fascinating. So the oils that come to mind for me is obviously lavender. I'm just thinking of the oils that I have. I have citrus oils.

[00:12:33] BL: I’m offended by lavender. Lavender is not good for me.

[00:12:36] KK: It’s not your friend.

[00:12:38] JC: It’s very hit or miss. It’s kind of like they say Benadryl. Give it to your kid on the red-eye and it will knock them out, unless it like makes them crazy.

[00:12:46] BL: Completely wired for sound. Yeah, I don't like lavender. Isn't that weird?

[00:12:51] KK: My mother-in-law doesn't like lavender. I love lavender.

[00:12:55] BL: I know. I think you either love it or you don't like it. One or the other.

[00:12:59] KK: Then there's citrus oils, the tangerine, the grapefruit, lemon.

[00:13:05] BL: I love all the citrus.

[00:13:07] JC: Citrus are very, very uplifting. They are great for depression. There's so much research that backs that up. They totally lift your mood.

[00:13:15] KK: Where would you – I’ve purchased little bottles of the oils and I’ve defused them. I add them to a sprayer bottle. How do you use – Like how would you suggest using if someone is listening, which obviously they are, with getting started?

[00:13:32] JC: Well, the easiest is the bottom of the feet for a couple reasons because the skin is thicker. So if it's kind of a hot oil, like peppermint sometimes can make your skin red. If you put it on the bottom of the feet, you won't have a reaction. Also, there are a bunch of reflex points on the bottom of the feet, so you can kind of stimulate different organs. Also, if anyone in your house is sensitive to smell and you put it on the bottom of the feet, you can just cover it with a sock, and no one else has to smell it.

[00:14:00] BL: Interesting. Now, can you over oil yourself?

[00:14:04] JC: Yeah. You can, but it's a little bit like can you overeat yourself? At a certain point, you kind of are full, so you stop.

[00:14:09] BL: Like you just know, “Okay, I've had enough.”

[00:14:11] JC: You’re smelling –

[00:14:13] BL: Yeah. Like you go to the all you can eat buffet, and your plate is overflowing.

[00:14:18] KK: You can’t eat anymore. I like have so many questions. It’s so crazy.

[00:14:26f] BL: But do you ever ingest it? Like put like drops under your tongue? I've heard of oregano oil being really good for I think colds, right?

[00:14:34] KK: Yes, colds and sinus.

[00:14:35] JC: It can – So the thing about oregano, there's actually a ton of research on oregano oil and thyme oil. They're incredibly powerful and they can kill a lot of the bad bugs in your gut, but they can also kill the good ones. So people do like drink them. What I say with that, I really – It’s kind of first do no harm. There's really no way to hurt yourself by unscrewing a bottle and doing what's called direct inhalation, smelling it. You're never going to stop smelling at a certain point. You're not going to overdo. Putting it on the skin, similarly, you're not going to put on too much.

But I think sometimes people can drink too much, so I just say be a little careful with that. Some people love to drink their oils. I never take coffee away from anyone. If that's what you love, keep it. But what I found that's really interesting is there are certain reflex points like acupuncture points that when you put oils on, it almost has a full body effect. If anyone's ever hurt their elbow or something and they put like an anti-inflammatory cream, you know that it makes your elbow less painful, right? But it's not impacting like your neck or your thigh or other parts of your body because they're looking at it like in order for things to get into your system, it has to go through your skin, into your blood. Then it gets carried to your heart and then it gets pumped to the whole body. So they're kind of saying, “Well, topical doesn't work so well,” or ingesting. It has to go through your whole digestive system and then get into the bloodstream.

Smelling is actually the most efficient because a couple reasons. The skin in your nasal passageway is thinner, and so it gets into the blood faster. What's interesting is your sense of smell is really critical to survival because you can smell food and water. You can smell predator odor. It keeps you alive. So it almost has like A-level, MVP access to the brain more than the other senses, so like nose cells or brain cells, and it goes directly to a part of your brain that kind of is really in charge of your stress response. It's called the amygdala. Not to get too complicated, but it's the fear center. If you've ever walked in the woods and thought you saw a snake and kind of jump back involuntarily before you even knew what was happening, that's your amygdala trying to keep you safe. Then checks and balances, the part of your brain that's kind of your executive function that's often off-kilter, if anyone's ADD or depressed, that's your forehead, your prefrontal cortex. That's the check-in. That's what looks and says like, “That's not a snake. That's a stick. You're fine. You're good.”

So one of the reasons that smelling oils is so great, especially for anyone with ADD, is that when you smell, it goes directly to the forehead and kind of turns on the brain that helps you focus, helps you make good decisions, helps you be calm, so you can have a rational conversation instead of a fight. So it really kind of centers you and brings your energy to the part of the brain that you want to turn on for like your best business self.

[00:17:35] KK: So what oil would that be?

[00:17:38] JC: It doesn't really matter. I mean, peppermint and rosemary are the ones that have a lot of research. But my favorite anxiety trick, this is really cool, kind of geeky, so stay with me. But there's a branch of chiropractic called functional neurology, and they're looking at different parts of the brain. Brain isn't just one big organ. Different parts do different things. They're two hemispheres. The right hemisphere is known as the [inaudible 00:18:01] hemisphere. So for any of us that have anxiety, that usually means that the right is working more than the left, specifically the right forehead, the right frontal lobe.

So if you're having a panic attack, that means your right forehead is overactive. So how do you turn that off? You balance the hemispheres of the brain by stimulating the left forehead. The easiest way to do that is to smell anything. It can even be peel a tangerine. Oils live in the peel of the fruit. Smell that through your left nostril three to seven breaths. It will balance the two hemispheres. Whatever anxiety, paralysis, overwhelm you are feeling will calm down and you will feel better immediately.

[00:18:42] KK: Wow, tip of the day.

[00:18:46] JC: Yeah, especially if you have an anxious kid.

[00:18:50] BL: Yeah. I didn’t really said it was that simple. I mean, I thought it was so complicated, and you had to ingest, and you got to mix it in your juice and that kind of thing. But it's really – For me, the only oil I've really ever taken is oregano oil. So if I smelled it, the same thing would happen. I would have the same effect as if I ingested it. That's so cool.

[00:19:11] JC: Exactly. There’s been like acupuncture points that help with digestion. But if anyone's listening, oregano can feel kind of spicy and strong.

[00:19:19] BL: Really strong.

[00:19:19] JC: Citrus is really good. They talk a lot about bergamot and neroli, which are really expensive citrus, but orange is like the poor man's citrus. It's super affordable. You can get it anywhere. Usually, kids like it. If you're listening to this and thinking, “I want to try that with my kid,” just bring them with you to Whole Foods or wherever. Have them smell – Pick whatever one they like and start there.

[00:19:43] KK: I love that.

[00:19:43] BL: Wow, that’s amazing.

[00:19:44] KK: Oh, you were going to say something. I saw you –

[00:19:46] JC: No. I was going to say lemon oil will get Sharpie off of anything. If you have an artist who likes to color on your furniture, lemon oil is great. It can get scratches off cars.

[00:19:54] KK: Tip number two.

[00:19:56] BL: That’s a good tip.

[00:19:57] KK: Lemon oil. I’m bringing this down.

[00:20:00] JC: Yeah, that’s pretty amazing.

[00:20:02] BL: Okay. One other person came to me. Well, I don't know why I met her. I can't remember our encounter, but my ear was bothering me. She told me about an oil to put in my ear that had garlic oil in it and something else. I think it starts with an H or a T. It was a strange –

[00:20:22] JC: So the best thing for that is you press garlic literally into olive oil and put a little bit of that in the ear. Then what you can do is you can put rice in a sock and like nook it for a minute or two, so it's warm and put that on top. Yeah, it's as simple as just pressing garlic into regular olive oil. You don't need to buy anything more than that.

[00:20:40] BL: Really?

[00:20:43] JC: Ear infections are often correlated with microbiome, with just kind of the bugs in the ear. Garlic is really good at balancing that out.

[00:20:52] KK: I love garlic.

[00:20:52] BL: So you wrote a book. Is the book –

[00:20:55] JC: I wrote a book.

[00:20:56] BL: Okay. Does your book have all these tricks in –

[00:20:59] JC: All these tricks. Yeah. When you’re a new mom and you're like, “Oh, my god. What do I do?” then someone else says like, “Oh, well. If you put the kid in the swing, they often sleep,” and you're like, “I'm swinging it.” Or you take them to the beach and they're standing over the minivan. They say like, “Hey, talcum powder gets sand off the feet.” You're like, “That's a great trick.” It's kind of like all those things that you don't know. So your friend tells you and you're like, “I'm so glad I know that.”

So what I was trying to do was it's kind of three parts. It’s what oils really are and why they work and how they work so that they're not kind of relegated to this hippy fairy woohoo land but much more mainstream. Like people don't realize oils are plants, and most of our pharmaceutical drugs are derived from plants. Like 50% of the pharmaceutical drugs that the FDA approved in the last 30 years are plants. White willow bark is aspirin. Valerian root is Valium. We just don't think of it that way because they're kind of process and changed. Then just why like smelling, how that actually works. What's actually happening? How the skin works? What happens with ingestion? Like really understanding the metrics of it so it becomes much more science-based.

Then I go into especially working with kids, I have so many friends that are like, “Oh, I spend $1,000 in supplements and I don't take them.” If the ambulance can't get to the accident, it's not going to save anyone. If you don't brush your teeth, it’s not going to –

[00:22:25] KK: Right. You got to do it. You got to do it.

[00:22:29] JC: I found that when people understand like, “Oh, this makes like my veins slightly bigger, so more oxygen can get into my brain. When more oxygen can get into my brain, I think better. I'm less depressed. I'm calmer.” When they get what it's doing, then they're more likely to do it. So that's what I really try to explain. I don't think – Some people say like there's an oil for everything. If you break your arm, go get a cast. If you're having a heart attack, go to the ER. Oils at that point, that's not your best choice. But if you're really anxious and stressed, if you're not sleeping, if you aren't necessarily having regular bowel movements or you feel like you're carrying extra weight, there are a lot of things that oils are really good at. So I really try to address kind of those five areas where I think oils are great for more energy, for increasing your immune system and why.

Then I get into the last part where if you already – Like your aunt in Texas. If you have your own oils and want to kind of make your own recipes, I’ll give you the recipes. If you're not a do-it-yourselfer, basically you can buy it from me. But my goal is just even if they take like, “Oh, okay. I can smell something through my left nostril when I'm having a panic attack. I'm going to bring that in the car. I'm going to give that to my daughter before [inaudible 00:23:45].” Whatever it is, it's just one little trick that now you have easier things and more options.

[00:23:53] BL: That's so great.

[00:23:55] KK: I like to call those pearls in the pocket. You are a pearls in the pocket girl.

[00:24:00] BL: What's the name of your book? What's the full name of your book?

[00:24:04] JC: It's Essential Oils to Boost the Brain and Heal the Body.

[00:24:09] KK: We're going to get a copy.

[00:24:10] BL: I'm getting it for sure. Yeah.

[00:24:13] KK: Okay. We talked about a lot of oils that smell good. This is just a question. So I have neem oil. Wow, does that smell bad?

[00:24:23] JC: Yeah, it kind of does.

[00:24:25] KK: I've been using it for like a breakout or skin-related stuff. But what is that? Is it the plant that smells so bad?

[00:24:38] JC: Yeah. You might like frankincense better, and it would do similar things.

[00:24:41] KK: The same?

[00:24:42] JC: Yeah. It's really interesting. I've heard people say this idea like if it smells revolting to you, you need it. I'm kind of in the opposite camp. You would never eat a food that smelled gross. I kind of think like you crave chocolate when you need magnesium. You crave a hamburger when you need iron. Your body knows what it needs, so lean into that. Frankincense for me goes in and out. Sometimes, I love it. Sometimes, it's not my cup of tea. But if you don't like it, you don't need it, and there are other things that probably can do the same, having the same benefit and not kind of be less appealing, unappealing.

[00:25:19] BL: Okay, I have two. For sleep, which one? Which oil?

[00:25:25] JC: It's interesting. Spikenard and valerian root are the best, but they kind of smell like stinky feet. So some people like lavender. If you're going to use lavender – If you don't like lavender, lavender grown at different altitudes smells different. Lavender grown at the higher altitude tends to smell a little bit sweeter and more tolerable to some people.

I live in Seattle. There's a town called Sequim that's about two hours away where they have a lavender festival and they grow – There's probably like 300 different types of lavender. It's really fun. It's kind of like wine tasting. Now, differently, and you can wine taste while you’re out of their shop. Yeah, there are different options. I can send you some that you might like because some of it can be very – It's a little bit like red wine. It’s almost a little too tart. But lavender is good. If you add it into Epsom salt, like this is actually a really good reset for you for your kids. Two cups of Epsom salt, one cup of baking soda, and then like two drops of lavender, and use your bathtub as a mixing bowl. Because oil and water don't mix, so you want to add the lavender into the salt before you add the water. Add hot water. Make it as hot as you can tolerate. Stay in for as long as you can. Like try for 15 minutes.

But there's something about your skin is your largest organ. When you kind of heat it, you make it more receptive to medicine. Then the Epsom salt and the oil, it just kind of carries it in. That's usually a good full body sleep experience for people. The citrus oils that you mentioned can be really calming and help with sleep.

[00:27:02] BL: Now, I'm getting over a throat thing. I think I may have had like laryngitis or something. I'm still a little raspy. What will help that?

[00:27:10] JC: Eucalyptus can help, eucalyptus peppermint. My favorite, honestly, like for this time now is Cypress. It's really, really good for the lung lining. If you think of the three little pigs, it's not that the big bad wolf is so terrible. It's that your house is made of straw. So Cypress helps to make your lung barrier more resilient so that no matter what you're breathing in, it kind of stops at the lungs and doesn't get into the body. A good application point, the clavicles, the collarbones on either side. If you gently kind of massage them if they feel slightly tender, it's not bad to just rub them. Or you can just put a little bit of Cypress oil there, and that's really good for the throat and the lungs. Frankincense and myrrh are also good for the throat.

[00:27:58] BL: God, it’s so interesting.

[00:28:00] KK: We could keep talking for hours. My head is just swimming. I’m so excited.

[00:28:05] BL: We have a store here, Sprouts. They have a lot of essential oils. We can get them there. But I don't think the mixtures are there.

[00:28:16] KK: But what's your website? Your website has –

[00:28:18] JC: Yeah, Vibrant Blue Oils. Yeah, you can order anything off of Vibrant Blue Oils. I'm all about meeting people where they're at. If you want to go to Sprouts and make your own, go you. If you want to order, we have them done for you. Yeah, it’s really about like –

[00:28:35] BL: I like ordering.

[00:28:36] KK: Yeah. I like ordering too.

[00:28:37] BL: It’s easier. Yeah.

[00:28:37] JC: Me too. I joke. We went raspberry picking one year. I still have like jam in my freezer. It’s fun to make it once. I’m happy to go to the store and buy my produce. But I like the idea of bringing your kid if he's having an issue or she and just having them pick out something that smells good to them. Then it makes it so much easier to have them do that. It might be kind of fun for them to be involved in that. They've actually chosen what they're going to smell.

[00:29:12] KK: Right. Kids are experiencing. As we have been talking about kids at home, studying and learning and on these devices so much.

[00:29:19] BL: Well, and so much anxiety. I mean, they had to learn a new normal to learn from home. Now, they're transitioning going back to school, so they got another new normal. I mean, they're constantly having to do things over again. The first day of school keeps happening repetitively, right? There's so much anxiety with that.

[00:29:40] JC: Yeah. They miss their friends. Yeah. Some kids, it's hard to learn certain topics. My daughter has watercolor. I'm like, “How do you do watercolor in Zoom? It’s just weird.”

[00:29:49] BL: Somehow, they've all managed. I don't know how. But the teachers have been just so incredible in pivoting to the technical way of learning basically everything. This has been so interesting. I can't wait to get your book. Is it on Amazon?

[00:30:08] JC: It's on Amazon. It's everywhere. Everywhere books are sold. Yes.

[00:30:10] BL: Great. Yes, awesome. I can't wait to get it.

[00:30:14] KK: Well, I'm so excited to me. I'm so thankful for Chrissy. We're going to do a little shout out after we say goodbye. But good luck with the book. I hope we can meet someday and be in touch. We’ll let you know how we do with our oil experimentation.

[00:30:29] BL: I'm doing it. For sure.

[00:30:29] JC: Please do. Yeah. Honestly, smelling through the left nostril, easiest reset ever.

[00:30:35] BL: Does it work on husbands too? I'm going to try it on my husband.

[00:30:38] JC: It does. It does.

[00:30:39] KK: Husband reset.

[00:30:41] JC: Yeah. We didn’t even talk about when you're stressed. But when you’re stressed, your resources are allocated differently and your vision changes. So your pupils, the black part of your eyes get really big. If you are trying to have a conversation with your husband and you notice that the black part of their eyes are big like saucers, they're kind of stressed. So having them smell something, you can literally watch the black part shrink. When it's kind of a normal size, that's when they can hear you.

[00:31:07] BL: Wow. I can't wait to try that on my husband. Like, “Wait a minute. Time out. Smell this.”

[00:31:13] JC: Kids too, right? [inaudible 00:31:14]. It's because when they're in stress, they're kind of in fight or flight mode, so you have to calm them down.

[00:31:22] BL: Wow. That's so amazing.

[00:31:23] KK: You're awesome.

[00:31:24] BL: Yes. Thank you so much for coming on here. So much just incredible information. I can't wait to dive into it. Thank you.

[00:31:32] JC: Thank you for having me.

[00:31:34] BL: Of course.

[00:31:34] KK: Have a good rest of your day.

[00:31:36] JC: You too. Thank you.

[00:31:37] BL: Thank you very much. Take care.

[00:31:38] KK: Bye.

[00:31:39] JC: Bye-bye.

[00:31:39] BL: Bye.

[00:31:41] KK: Okay. I can't wait to get in the car and go get some or go on her website.

[00:31:45] BL: I know. I’m so excited. I mean, but it's so true. You just think about like smelling a rose. We went to that estate sale over the weekend. They had some fresh roses at the register. I could smell it through my mask. I'm like, “Wow. What is that smell?” It just instantly makes you just feel euphoric and happy. So it just makes sense. It's something that is probably so obvious, but we just don't look at it because of whatever reason. We just don't. I guess it’s great.

[00:32:13] KK: I could feel myself literally in the bathtub when she was describing that.

[00:32:17] BL: Yeah.

[00:32:18] KK: I definitely have to do that. Well, we got to get the book.

[00:32:20] BL: I love to get her back. Okay.

[00:32:22] KK: Well, we are going to end this episode but we want to make sure you know where you can get Jodi's book. So Amazon, bookstores. I don’t even know the names of bookstores.

[00:32:32] BL: Anywhere. She said anywhere they sell books.

[00:32:33] KK: They’re anywhere.

[00:32:34] BL: It’s there.

[00:32:35] KK: So grab her book. If you have any questions or want to know more about Jodi, please email us. Our email is riskybusiness@coveragequeens.com. You can also look for this episode on Coverage Queens coming up. We can't wait to chat with you again and have you here watching Risky Business.

[00:32:56] BL: Thank you so much. See you next time.

[00:32:58] KK: Bye.

[00:32:59] BL: Bye-bye.

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